The Challenge of Alberta, “This Is Achievable!” | Katherine Kowalchuk
August 23, 2022
Katherine is a co-founder of Lawyers4Truth and is currently a candidate in the Leadership Contest 2022 for The Independence Party of Alberta. In this discussion she shares with us her views on:
- What are the major challenges facing Albertans?
- How has the system failed Alberta?
- How can Alberta best protect its future?
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Will: I have with me today, Katherine Kowalchuk, someone I’ve known for quite some time. Katherine is a family law lawyer. However, she is the co-founder of Lawyers 4 Truth. A group of lawyers here in Alberta who have been fighting for our constitutional rights and freedoms. Recently, Katherine announced her candidacy for The Independence Party of Alberta. And she’s here today to discuss the challenges facing our province. Katherine, thanks for coming in.
Katherine: Thanks well for having me and thanks for all the work that you’ve been doing in support of all of our rights and freedoms and your advocacy work.
Will: Thank you so much, Katherine. If we could ask every Alberta in this question and you’d get a different answer, but asking you, what you think are the major challenges that are facing our province?
Katherine: The major challenge of facing our province right now is the corruption that we see in government. Of course, over the last two years, it’s been highlighted for us with the various mandates, but for many decades, Albertans have been screaming the injustices of where they find themselves in the Canadian constitution. And the fact that no matter who is in office in Alberta, Albertans seem to get the raw deal. The raw end of the stick and our economy is being decimated by people who have no business making policy decisions that affect this province.
Will: And of course, The Independence Party is an openly separatist party. So at what point in time, because we were talking before the interview and you said you didn’t used to be a separatist, but you’ve become one. What led you to that conclusion? That the only way to get outta this, the only way to save this province is separate from the rest of the country.
Katherine: Certainly, the last two years and namely the mandates as a result of COVID. When I saw what was happening in this province and the injustices, both through our governments, federally and provincially, but also in our courts, I recognized very quickly that coupled with the myriad of issues that Albertans face, whether it’s the equalization issue, not withstanding the fact that Albertans voted in favor, a majority of Albertans voted in favor to end equalization that nothing was done by Jason Kenney, with respect to that, that was sufficient. Anyway, a letter doesn’t cut it. And the fact that, we cannot get a pipeline built. The fact that the Supreme Court of Canada is stacked in favor of the federal government and those agendas with the federal government and the fact that we send, billions of dollars to Ottawa and we get very little in return.
It’s my position that we needed to, that we do need to stop funding our own tyranny, which is in fact what’s occurring. And the other thing that led me down this path was I became involved with an organization called the Alberta Prosperity Project and I was speaking with them. I started speaking with them a little bit last November, but I continued speaking about the injustices I was seeing in insofar as my legal experience related.
And I would speak across the province with them. And the Alberta Prosperity Project is, was a grassroots movement and it’s an educational society. And Dennis Modry, Dr. Dennis Modry is the CEO. He and the board made a compelling case in terms of why Alberta will never get a fair deal within the current constitutional framework in Alberta.
And it was based on those principles and what I was hearing when I was attending these meetings, which, across the province, the last six months, there are hundreds of people that attend these meetings and they are fed up with Alberta, sorry, with Alberta remaining in Canada. They want to see real action to be taken.
And so when Dr. Dennis Modry sets out at these A.P.P. Presentations, the challenges of Alberta opening up the constitution it became clear, really clear to me that seeking independence through a referendum through the Clarity Act was the only solution.
Will: Now let’s talk about that because I know from talking to Marilyn Burns, who’s head of the Alberta Advantage.
There’s also a Separatist Party. That it’s not a simple process to separate there’s quite a list of challenges you have to overcome. So just so we give people a dose of reality of what we would be in for if we went down this road and by the way, I’m gonna make it very clear folks. I’m a Separatist too, in fact, I have been for much longer than Katherine has.
I think the only way out of this mess is that we have to separate from Canada. So I’m entirely in favor of it, but I also recognized it’s not a simple thing to do. So could you please run our audience just briefly through the process of how we would do this?
Katherine: The starting point is the Clarity Act and the the Supreme Court of Canada with respect to the Quebec attempts to secede, Canada came up with a Clarity Act and made, created a process by which any province can follow in order to bring a question to the citizens of the province. And so, pursuant to the Clarity Act a clear question, first of all, needs to be presented to Albertans. And so part of our mandate will be coming up with that clear question to make sure that it does not confuse anybody and won’t be challenged or, ultimately will be found to be a clear question.
So that’s the first hurdle. The other things that we need to consider are the Clarity Act builds into this process certainly a consultation and consideration of indigenous people, right? And recognizing that, we have to be inclusive in, including everybody with respect to this decision and then the, 50% plus one threshold once obtained has to then go to the House of Commons.
So the House of Commons, although they, and they can decide whether or not that’s a clear question. And, I see at that point, the problems starting because assuming that the federal government does not want us to become an independent nation assuming that the provinces also don’t want us to become an independent nation because we do, we are the economic backbone of this country.
I suspect that there would likely there could be a vote in the House of Commons to stall the negotiations. And at that point it will probably have to go to the Supreme Court of Canada to be decided, which has its own problems. So there is that process that will follow it’s the legal process that’s set out right now.
So I think we do have challenges within that framework, but I think we need to try.
Will: Yes. And realistically, what’s the timeline on that?
Katherine: The Independence Party of Alberta is the only party Independence Party I understand that has committed to hold the referendum within the first year forming government. So we have to form government. That’s the first hurdle. Yes.
Will: And I certainly hope that you do. And, I don’t think it’s necessarily far fetched. People are just fed up what Jason, Kenney, and his UCP party and how they’ve been screwing us over and openly, almost openly mocking Albertans in the way that he’s carrying on while he’s forcing these mandates on everybody else.
So let’s get into the elephants in the room because of course you are co-founder of Lawyers 4 Truth, which is how you, and I know each other, we encountered each other early on in this fight against these COVID mandates, which are entirely illegal violations of our rights. You have co-founded Lawyers 4 Truth along Doris Reimer.
I started my own organization and we’re both out there fighting these mandates that — forget about whether or not you agree that there really was a pandemic or wasn’t, it doesn’t matter. They’ve still been violating our rights left, and center. So you, yourself, your organization’s been fighting against that.
Please give your thoughts on those mandates and the way in which our rights are being trampled.
Katherine: Certainly. Well, as a lawyer what I’ve witnessed occur and I’m not a constitutional lawyer – wasn’t and I still am not. However, I’ve learned a lot more over the last two years in particular about this, but as a lawyer I was very disappointed or legitimately thought that the courts were going to be our bastion of hope of rational jurisprudence to correct the government’s wrong behavior insofar as COVID was concerned.
What started to unfold over the course of the last two years was certainly the opposite of that. We’ve had a few cases that had given us a glimmer of hope that there were rational Justices and Judges within the judicial system to write this wrong. However, we’ve been continuously gaslighted as Albertans and Canadians no matter how much information and how many contrary opinions and contradictory evidence is brought forward to the government, they don’t even entertain that. And they pretend that we either saying anything or they disparage us. And they say that these experts and the people asserting the rights and freedoms, according to our Charter are conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxxers. And so the mandates in my mind are wrong. I believe that we derive our rights and freedoms, not from the government or any government, but from God.
And I am a Christian and have my faith has actually been strengthened throughout these COVID restrictions in the last two years, because what I do see playing out is more on the spiritual realm and where we are seeing the manifestation of it, obviously in the physical realm with these, and I’m gonna call them evil politicians more concerned about their paycheck and their perceived reputation, insofar as the mainstream media and their colleagues might portray them as then the best interests of their constituents and the people of Alberta and of Canada.
Will: I wanna get now into that transition period between let’s play a little game here. Let’s assume that next election Independent Party gets elected, you’re the next spring year of Alberta.
Will: Now, we’ve got a stretch of time until we can have that re referendum until Alberta can separate, which in my mind solves a whole bunch of problems. It certainly creates some challenges as well, but I think it solves a whole lot more than problems than it causes. So now we’ve got that interim period. And I wanna start with this question because I’m sure you’re absolutely aware of the World Health Organization’s, International Health Treaty. So now we’re still part of Canada.
You’re premier of Alberta, the World Health Organization comes along and says, everybody has to double mask, everybody has to distance, everybody has to stay home for three weeks. They did it in Wu — in Shanghai, China. Everybody has to get injected every six months. Of course, our government’s already working towards that. What’s your response as to your Alberta?
Katherine: My intention is to withdraw Alberta from any association or ties with World Health Organization, World Economic Forum, or the UN ultimately. And so we have to understand exactly how far reaching the tentacles go. Certainly, our municipalities have been captured by the World Economic Forum, the UN and the World Health Organization, same with AHS. But in addition to forming the question that ultimately we will be forming part of the referendum, which we commit to hold within the first year, forming government. I do wanna do major reforms to the government. And I think that’s why The Independence Party is going to be the go to party for Albertans because not only are we committed to asking Alberta’s the question, which they deserve to be asked, but they also deserve an independence minded government that’s going to do these certain reforms. So for instance, I’ve committed publicly that I will do a robust and very scrutinizing inquiry into the handling of COVID. And part of that will be an accountability measure as we go along the way. And after the conclusion of that inquiry occurs, and it will be holding these people civilly and criminally responsible for what they’ve done and the harms that they’ve done to Albertans in particular, I want to completely fire the bureaucracy.
Because what I’ve learned over the last two years in particular, and I’ve known for some time anyway, and it’s been confirmed by sitting MLA’s that the bureaucracy is the major problem within Alberta politics. It’s the problem with all politics, in fact, because what people may not realize or appreciate with respect to how government runs is that the bureaucracy continues not withstanding which party is in charge.
So we have to get rid of the long, lifelong bureaucrats that are have been for whatever reason, bought in to the UN and the globalist agenda. And so those people will be the first to go. And I’m serious about that because they’ve caused a lot of damage and destruction, harm and likely death. AHS has to be completely reformed.
We have to look at all the laws, right away. And we, we are committed. I’m committed to repealing any law that violated anybody’s human rights and freedoms and creating laws that ensure that this sort of ridiculous madness does not happen again. A law that I envision would be, one of the laws I envision would be any employer who discriminates against anybody as a result of requiring them to mask, test or vaccinate will be penalized and the penalties will be hefty. So it will be brought into the Human Rights Act of Alberta, that discriminating based on these medical interventions that have been plaguing our society for the past two years, will not be able to occur. But in all these government agencies, like the Human Rights Tribunal will be reviewed as well as the College of Physicians and Surgeons and including my own governing body, the Law Society of Alberta.
Will: Now, of course, these bureaucrats that you’re talking of Katherine, are often referred to as the deep state of viewers are aware of the issue that you have, politicians come and go where you have these bureaucrats that have been there for a long time.
They were put in charge of something or other, and they’re still running it. They’re still doing their little program often without any oversight. And of course, you’ve talked about the covid mandates and, health services and how all of that just got completely out of hand. What other issues do you see that have been caused in Alberta by this deep state?
Katherine: Let’s look at what’s coming down the pike with climate change. I don’t believe climate change is a thing. I think it’s definitely part of the globalist agenda in order to convince Canadians and Albertans that we have a problem. When in fact there is no problem and climate change, that whole narrative will be righted.
Information will be provided to Albertans. Whoever else wants to know the truth, the truth will be provided. And people are going to see the depths of the corruption and the manipulation that we’ve all been suffering under for decades. And so climate change, the fact that we can’t get a pipeline built, I believe that, both the federal and provincial government bought the pipelines not to build them.
I have concerns that the oil and gas industry is actually in, on its own demise. I believe that, once we have the opportunity to understand exactly where the money is flowing. I think we’ll probably be surprised. Now, I don’t have any tangible evidence, but I do have anecdotal evidence.
The CEO and President of Suncor and Shell were both at the recent Bilderberg meetings this year. Okay.
17:10 Will: Nothing suspicious there.
Katherine: What are they doing there? And if anybody knows about the Bilderberg meetings, they’re definitely part of the deep state and ties with these globalist organizations. And then I recently read an article in The Epoch Times by the president of the of Exxon mobile.
And he concluded that his organization had done a thorough analysis in terms of the electrifying of our motor vehicles in the world. And they don’t seem to think that it’s going to affect their bottom line whatsoever over the next few decades, in order to meet these climate goals. I find that highly suspicious that they can come to that conclusion based on knowing that an entire industry is likely that they provide a product for is going to be put out of business, in the not-too-distant future. W hen you follow, I think what we’ll find is that when you follow the money, we’re gonna have a more realistic unveiling of what actually has been going on. And I co-founded Lawyers 4 Truth and I’m about truth, wherever it takes me. And that’s what I think I’ll bring to The Party and that commitment.
And I’ve also not backed down for the last two years. And there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of controversy or not controversy, but people are wondering which party, who are we gonna vote for either the UCP leadership is going on right now. And of course, we’re entering into our, we will be running candidates in the next election.
And we, we are serious about this movement and we have no plans of going away anytime soon, and I’m going to be dedicating my life to this because there is no other alternative from my perspective. One of the things I say to people when they’re asking the question about who to vote for, or and what leader is appropriate, I always say to them you will know them buy their fruits.
So let’s look at what they’ve done in the last two years in particular, to speak out against these mandates, because no matter what the courts say, this is not in my opinion, justifiable under Section One any of these mandates. They’re not justifiable and the courts have not proven it. I don’t think they’ve had the opportunity to properly prove it and make that final decision, because I don’t think that they’ve had enough evidence in order to make that determination.
So it’s not, if you can get behind the premise that these are not justifiable, then at the end of the day, you need to look for a leader that knows that and knows the difference and was speaking out and you will and I implore your audience and anybody looking at this video to do, to really be honest with themselves when they’re looking for that next leader, did this person fight for Albertans?
What is their history? What are they likely to do in the future based on the information that you know. And I can tell you that no sitting MLA in Alberta did enough, did anything in fact. And in fact, while I’m on this topic in a little bit of a rant, Bob Leone, who is the director of membership and sits on the board of The Independence Party.
He’s and he’s a former president of the, APP, he and I have become very good friends. And he, when he speaks to people, he tells people about a meeting that happened last November amongst nine MLA’s, Alberta MLA’s. And they were briefed in November of 2021 by Drs. Malone, Alexander, Modry and Hodkinson. McCullough wanted to be there, but he had something else he had to attend to, but they briefed these MLA’s on the problems with the vaccines and they alerted them to the harms and the dangers of this, especially as it related to children, And there was a commitment at that meeting that Shane Getson was going to table this information within the legislature in Alberta.
And they also wanted to have a conversation with Deena Henshaw, none of that came to fruition. And so, the fact that these politicians knew of the harms that were about to and were occurring amongst children, especially, and did nothing, no sitting MLA deserves to be re-elected.
Will: And I agree with you, and before we move with my next question I wanted to if I may, just add a few of comments on top of what you said, you were very diplomatic when you talked about global warming, let me be less diplomatic. It’s utter BS folks, utter BS. And I released a video five minutes long, several months ago where I proved it with a single chart. Global warming through manmade carbon emissions is absolutely impossible. It can’t happen. But the second comment I would make is green communism is still communism and that’s what they’re trying to push on us. People don’t seem to understand just how very profitable this green environmental movement is for a lot of people. And what is communism really? What it is it’s a totalitarian oligarchy where everybody, 99% of the people at the bottom are universally poor and oppressed.
And then you’ve got this small number of people at the top that are wealthy and have all of the rights and all the freedoms. And that’s basically what I see this green environmental movement as being, is that they’ve got all these people who wanna impose rules on everybody else based upon bad science and outright lies. So that they can have control over these corporations and make huge amounts of money and basically do whatever they want.
Katherine: Well, because it’s not about the climate it’s about control.
Katherine: And it’s about it’s and it’s about trying to scare the population enough, brainwash them to the point where they believe there to be a problem when one doesn’t exist so that they can advance their agenda for one world government and a digital ID.
And so, it has nothing to do with climate change and global warming. That’s why they don’t use the term global warming anymore because they know that’s not actually what’s causing any issues. And it’s definitely not manmade global warming. Earth goes through its own cycles as does every planet in our solar system. And it’s in fact, all of them are heating up during this period in the evolution of our solar system. And I don’t know for certain, but I don’t think there are any SUVs on Pluto.
Will: Yeah, pretty much not. And course’s also on top of that, the scientific studies they’re shown that a two degree increase would actually be a good thing. It would increase the growing season and give us more arable land.
Katherine: We all know that this cabal that’s trying to take over this planet, their specialty is inverting the truth, right? Yes. And whatever they’re saying, you can, the truth is likely the opposite. And so that’s the other thing. And in a government where I have any say, the truth is going to be disseminated amongst all of Alberta and far reaching.
And it’s not just that it’s about what about the technology that has been suppressed? What about the patents that have been suppressed? What about the cures for illnesses that have been suppressed? What about let’s talk about the true intentions of big pharma and their goal to keep people sick for their own financial profit.
What about our food supply? What about our farmers and our food supply system is going to be severely affected very soon as we are seeing what playing out in Holland right now, and with the Dutch people with this reduction in fertilizer requirement to, in the name of ‘climate change’.
And in order to meet the Paris Accord court agreements and these goals that absolutely don’t mean anything, right? The agenda is to, is one world government. That’s what it is. It’s not about anything to do with whatever it is that they say it’s about. And so Albertans in particular, you asked me earlier, what is what’s? What are Albertans facing? Albertans are facing major food supply shortages. And they’re also facing a higher energy cost to the point where I suspect most Albertans are going to have to make the decision this coming winter, whether or not they’re going heat their house or drive their kids to school.
Will: Yes. Katherine, I wanna get back to focusing and again on Alberta, because there’s two questions I know are going through our viewer’s mind. So, I’m gonna ask this to you in series first: Voter Fraud. We know it’s endemic, it’s happening everywhere. Jason Kenney and his mail in ballots for God sake. How much more obvious can you get? Yeah. How would you propose that we correct and fix voter fraud in Alberta?
Katherine: First of all, I think it has to be in person. think we have to go back to the idea that in person ballots with legitimate ID and voter lists that we go back to the basics of physically counting ballots.
It’s not to say that I don’t believe that there’s technology and that we should not incorporate technology. If it, if we can be assured that there are requisite checks and balances that can be scrutinized by an independent, like truly independent body so that they can verify the results. And but the question is who would be that independent body to verify those results. So, we’d have to look at and maybe there’s more than one body, right? So that, we can do a sample size of did this, did these, if we did do electronic voting for instance whether or not we all agreed with the same result, which shouldn’t be difficult to come to if in fact it was done properly, I think. But we have to assure Albertans that we have to also work where we’re at because there’s a lot of mistrust by Albertans and their government. And so we’re going to have to work to demonstrate to Albertans that we are a government of integrity and honesty and transparency.
Initially I think it makes sense to do mail in ballots. Oh, sorry, not mail-in ballots in person voting. Mail-in ballots, I totally disagree with. I think that’s, they get lost in the wherever they get lost to.
Will: It’s the easiest way to manipulate.
Katherine: Definitely switch. And so mail is sorry. Yeah, Mail-in ballots. I’m definitely not in favor of but I don’t wanna throw the baby out with the bath water with respect to what might be available to governments or anybody wishing to hold a vote. So long as the proper controls are put into place and an opportunity for scrutinizing properly, right?
It has to be completely transparent and the time period has to be sufficient enough for people to plan and be able to be accommodated in terms of attending at those physical locations.
Will: Yes. Maybe, let me throw out this suggestion because not long ago, I interviewed Sam Bushman who is the National Director of The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. I had the pleasure talking with him a couple of times what we discussed the last time was exactly that voter fraud. Cause of course it’s happening in the U.S. As well. And the plan that Sam and I kinda came up with between the two of us. I want your thoughts on this No. 1, because technology is a double-edged sword. It could be used against us, but we can use it for us as well. Exactly. So we’ve turned to paper ballot. There’s no electronic voting because that’s a computer. It can be manipulated. Yeah. There’s no mail in voting that can be manipulated. All voting has to happen, live at a voting station. Now here’s the change. Here’s where we use the technology for us, not against us. There’s cameras in that room, and it’s streaming live.
As people are voting, this is streaming live. Anybody can log into a website where they can watch their voting station or another one, if they want to, where they can see what’s going on. And now here’s the big thing. There’s a camera above the counting table, pointing straight down at it, where people who are watching it can see those ballots being counted.
And then you have an odd number of people who adjudicate for ballots, where it may not be clear. You have to have an odd number not an even number. So you can’t have a tie boat. And this way you’ve got that information streaming out there onto the internet, and you can be sure that people are capturing it.
You’ve got a permanent record. That’s in the hands of the people that people are able to watch the voting process. It’s all done live without computers being able to mess with it. It seems to me, like we have a perfect system there that’s just how do you achieve a system like that?
Katherine: The only thing I would say about that, and I think that’s a really interesting idea that you brought up the only thing and maybe I didn’t hear you correctly. I don’t know if I agree with having videos in watching people actually cast their balance.
Will: Oh no. We’re not talking about that we’re talking about the counting tables, right? Oh, absolutely. So, no we’re not, we wouldn’t be showing any of the voters because that’s your own business. Nobody even know has to know that you did vote that’s your business. Yeah. So we wouldn’t show that. But what we are talking about is showing a camera angle that shows perhaps, you could do it in such a way where all you can see is the hands dropping them into the boxes. So now we’ve got a method of count. How many votes were cast? All we have to do is go back, look at the camera records and anybody sitting out there watching that could count and say, okay, we know how many votes were cast. Okay. Now we got another camera later on. It’s going to the counting table and those people, they’re not voters they’re working for the government or whatever, doing the counting of the ballot, so we can show them and people can watch the actual counting of the ballots as they’re taken outta the boxes, laid out on the table with the camera pointing straight down at it. How do you cheat a system like that?
Katherine: Unless there’s some sort of technology that the video would be able to be fudged with. So, we’d have to make sure that there’s, that was considered as part of the process, right? Because we’re seeing with the the wonders of CGI, et cetera. That, people may not be where they say they are, et cetera. But assuming that you can properly account for those types of issues, I think that any layer of monitoring in that respect and how you describe it makes sense.
Will: It puts the monitoring in the hands of the people. Yeah. And gives you a permanent record because one of, some of the things have been done with voter fraud is, oh, we’ll be lost the ballots. You can’t lose the ballots this way because people are recording it. Yeah. So, there’s gonna be a dozen copies of every counting station out there yeah. On people’s computers. And try to fudge with that.
Katherine: Yeah. And then perhaps we look at even, stringent laws with major penalties for people who in fact are found violating the voting process as a deterrent. And then the next step with that is actually enforcing the laws because that’s the other thing that I think is missing in our society right now is that we have a lot of laws that are quite useful that we’re not enforcing.
Will: Let’s talk about the Section 176 of the Criminal Code and interfering with a pastor and the conduct of their duties. How many times has that law been violated in this province?
Katherine: Yeah, exactly. All in the name of this the fact that there’s a purported pandemic, that’s been yet to be proven by any government
Will: And in fact, sorry to interrupt. If anybody wants to take the time themselves to go look at the all causes mortality rate. It’s right there. Black and white. There’s been no unusual increase in death. Yeah. We know it’s a pandemic and you would see extra people die. We’re not seeing extra people die.
Katherine: Yeah. And we know also that the plan, the launching plan for the great reset for this phase anyway, was the COVID was COVID 19. It’s pretty amazing that these globalist organizations understood that was going to be the launching point for the great reset. And then it was rolled out uniformly across the world.
Will: Now once again, I want to keep because you and I are so very passionate about this. And folks we are, and when I say Katherine and I have known each other for a long time, we have. We’ve spoken at the same demonstrations we’ve been, yeah. We’ve worked in partnership their organization and ours to help people who are being, having their rights violated by these mandates. So we tend to get a little bit to off track but we wanted it get back to the subject at hand of Alberta. And the next question that I have that I know would be going through our viewer’s minds is financial accountability from our government and transparency. Yeah. How do you suggest we handle that?
Katherine: That’s a very big question, right?
Will: It is mean it’s an essay question, sorry, but take your time.
Katherine: And there’s probably multiple layers of that. I think first of all, when you, first of all, we have to, as an independent Alberta move away from the fiat magic money system that we have forming the basis of our current structure. And so, I would be in favor of moving Alberta’s new currency to a standard like the gold standard. Yes. Something that’s tangible. And so that would be, a starting point with respect to currency. When you’re talking about financial transparency, I think that it’s going to be incumbent on any government to be fully accountable for how they are spending money and what they’re spending their money on and process i4mplemented. And if you go to The Independence Party of Alberta website, there are suggestions and they’re not in detail, mind you, but suggestions in terms of how that financial accountability could look through the process of holding government officials more accountable. And so, we would have to make sure that all Albertans have access to the background information, forming the basis of that budget item and then and a mechanism for the person responsible for that budget item to account for it. And if they are not able to account for it sufficiently that they are, that they’re subject to discipline up to including being removed from their position in office. And so, one of the things that we wanna do is enact robust recall legislation. Now we have to be careful with that. I think from my perspective, because, everybody has their own agenda, so there has to be a sufficient check and balance and process by which an MLA or bureaucrat could be fired in the case of the bureaucrat, but recalled in terms of the MLA, because we know that we don’t want just any interest group to perhaps, once an MLA gets elected have a movement put together just because for recall, so that MLA is no longer — is voted out.
So we have to make sure we do a balancing of it, but the finances we need smaller government for sure. So we need to cut, we need to cut. Cut the bureaucracy, cut smaller government. And we, I believe we need to decentralize government in the new Alberta, which would include restoring decision making at the community level.
And in fact, one of the things that I’ve thought about and discussed with other people is the notion that the local governments actually collect the revenue and that they are, their budget is dealt with and satisfied first, before it goes up the food chain to the province. I’m open to multiple scenarios and that, I think that it’s about time, that Albertans weigh in on it.
But what I have heard about overwhelmingly from the people that have been attending these events is that they want more control over the process. The other thing that we need to look at are the ridiculous amount of regulations and licenses that we have in this province and throughout Canada, in fact, it seems like you can’t make any decision in your life without a license, fee, tax, or regulation.
That has to go. We have allowed for so many decades and it’s crept in very slowly, but not so slowly, but certainly within my lifetime. And I’m 47. We’ve allowed these governments to continuously encroach upon our rights and freedoms through regulation. And that has to, those regulations need to be reviewed.
And to the extent that they are found to be duplicitous or not in the interest, in the mandate of a new Alberta, which would be to not run a deficit and to not be in debt and to have balanced budgets they need to go. These regulations and these licenses for absolutely everything.
It needs to go, to a large extent, for instance, something as basic as registering your car, why do I have to register my car every year? I could see registering your car once when you buy it.
Will: Yeah. It’s not like they don’t know whether you’ve got insurance or not. Exactly. So I’ve questioned this myself is why are we paying what $75 a year or something like that to register our cars.
Katherine: Because it’s a control, it’s a control mechanism. And if you’ve ever tried to register your vehicle or reregister your vehicle on an annual, when it comes time, you’ll know that if you got a ticket or if you didn’t pay a fine or any of that you can’t do that. You can’t register your car until those things are paid. So it’s a mechanism for the government to to take that tax revenue into their coffers.
Will: And there’s a little interesting side note on that. Our 20-year-old daughter recently got her driver’s license and my wife was forced to pay a Nova ticket before my daughter could test in the car. Yeah. Because there was a ticket on the car.
Katherine: And they wouldn’t let, oh, really?
Will: They wouldn’t let her use the car until she paid the ticket. Use the car for the test. Yeah, no, can’t do it. You gotta pay the ticket.
Katherine: And I’m sure Albertan’s watching this will resonate that the absurdity of the bureau, the bureaucratic loop, like steps that anybody has to go through for any given thing, whether or not you can get somebody on the phone. If you can get somebody on the phone, that’s a miracle within a timely manner. That’s a miracle, but also there seems to be no logic with respect to a lot of these service providers and a lot of, and some of them are private service providers, but also government service providers where they’re given a script.
And their rules and they don’t deviate from that. And so they make everybody’s lives, a living hell trying to navigate their own individual circumstances. And if they don’t fit in that box, so we have these financial institutions, especially are bad for this, where the banks, if you don’t fit into this box in this profile that has been created by the very people that are enslaving us, if you don’t fit into that profile, then in fact, you’re not gonna get funding or you won’t have access to your bank account.
What happened with The Truckers Convoy was in the, in invocation of the Emergencies Act really was a last straw for a lot of people. And, the governments were smart. The provincial governments anyway were smart in relaxing the restrictions as fast as they did after that occurred to a large extent across the across Canada, because it automatically brought the temperature down, but we noticed that with all of these, relaxation of these mandates, that in fact they’re only temporarily suspended.
So they still continue, right? So we’re still under the threat at any time that Dina He-haw can tell us at a whims notice that, we have to start wearing masks again. And that we’re, not, we have to do online schooling or something for our children. The financial structure definitely has to be looked at again.
And I see, I would like to see a system that is, I, and maybe your audience will be offended by this and I hope not, but, keep it simple, stupid let’s get back to basic principles of what these financial institutions should be doing. Then they’re not to be making money.
They are a service provider to hold our money. And distribute our money, but now everything is digital anyway. And that, cash money is being unfortunately phased out, but not in Alberta, not in a new Alberta. I can tell you that because I’m not at all in favor of digital currency to the extent that they want to enroll in.
And so we have to look at, why aren’t financial transactions, trading transactions taxable, why aren’t, who’s benefiting for all of these things. And this is going to be an opportunity for Albertans to truly create the province that they want to see created. But the other challenges that we’re having is that people are so… they’re living in fear and they’ve been so conditioned to buy into whatever the government tells you is the way it is. And it’s a very brilliant plan when you look at it, and the psychological op operation and the manipulation that we’ve all gone through our entire lives was, it was really brilliant, and it will be studied for generations long, long after I’m gone from this planet. But those sorts of basic principles of keeping it very simple and looking at really the service that this institution is providing. Let’s look at interest and usury laws. And then you get into the whole notion of, okay, what kind of new country do we wanna be?
And upon which values are we going to govern ourselves? The Charter of Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms talks about the supremacy of God and the rule of law. And I can tell you that at no time in my legal training schooling career has that notion of the supremacy of God been brought into anything that I’ve done.
And what was highlighted for me in covid was that fact, because I started thinking okay the Charter says this, but yet none of these rules, these laws, these judgements seem to reflect the supremacy of God. And then I started looking at it a little bit further and scrutinizing that whole notion.
And then I thought, our legislatures don’t really in, from what I know anyway, or a parliament, doesn’t really, I don’t think that they have a process where they ask themselves the question, how does this law accord with the laws of God? Yes. And so in, in my understanding is that we believe in a Judeo Christian God, not just any God, but we are a society of Christian values.
And the main text that we would refer to one would think would be the Bible as a starting point. And when I look at what’s happened over the course of my life, certainly and before, but certainly before or long before I was here that everything that our society seems to be right now and to support right now is the in fact inverse of what the Bible would have us do.
Will: Katherine, you’ve been talking about a constitution that’s based upon the supremacy of God acknowledges that. And of course you made very clear you’re Christian. My wife is Catholic. I’m an atheist, but I wanna make a statement on that. Even as an atheist, I believe what you’re saying is absolutely right. It’s something that we need.
And here’s why a big part of what we’re seeing happening in our society and around the world right now is that there is no independent standard anymore of what is right and wrong. And so it becomes all shades of gray. And at that point in time, the people become extremely easy to manipulate. You can create these gross violations of people’s rights and the vast majority of people stand by and do nothing because they don’t see anything wrong with it, but it is wrong.
(47:49) There is right and wrong and you don’t have to believe in God to believe in right and wrong. And I would think the Judeo Christian standard is probably better than most. So why not use that one? Even though I don’t personally believe in God, I would still be completely in favor of that because it brings in that idea that there is absolute right and wrong, and that we, as a people should be observing that.
Katherine: I couldn’t agree with you more and I’m really happy to hear that perspective from you. I think that most Canadians, if surveyed, and Albertans surveyed would agree that they could get behind the 10 commandments in the golden rule. What if we just started there as a starting point?
Will: Do unto others as you’ve had done what a fantastic basic rule for treating other people properly.
Katherine: Exactly, And what if we actually taught in school the notion of values, and the underpinning behind morality. And I agree with you. And the way I look at it is that we have this foundation that should form the basis of all of our decision making as a society. And that’s, we don’t have that foundation any longer.
I think we did at one point to a certain extent, but I agree with you. I think Christian principles and values are the perfect starting point. And I’m fully in favor of that because when you don’t have, when you don’t believe in anything, you stand for nothing. And you have no benchmark by which to determine what is right and what is wrong just as you’ve said.
Will: Yes. And it’s very — those concepts are extremely simple. Is that which benefits other people, or good and evil or wrong is that which harms other people. Exactly. It’s very simple. You don’t have to get full out philosophical about it. Yeah. It’s black and white. Now. You, I’m glad that you mentioned our school system and how, because right now, of course our children are all being indoctrinated with these woke agenda ideas and probably the major one is there is no such thing as right and wrong. And so we need to talk about educational reform.
Katherine: Oh yeah.
Will: But I wanna prime the pump with an idea because I recently, not long ago, of course, prior to the Ontario election, I interviewed several candidates for The Ontario Party and their values would align very closely with yours. And one of the concepts that they put forward that I think was brilliant was fund the student, not the system.
Katherine: I agree.
Will: That way parents can decide where they want their child to be educated. Yeah. What do you think of that?
Katherine: I agree. And I also, I, this whole notion of standardized testing and all the rest of that stuff needs to I think that’s ridiculous. I think that the schools should be tasked at best with teaching basic curriculum, such as math and writing and reading probably. I don’t even trust them to teach social studies or history. In fact, Because, we need to open it up and we need to restore parental rights. Certainly parents need to be and have the responsibility first and foremost of educating their children, but let’s look at our society.
Okay. We’ve created a society where a lot of, for all intents and purposes, those sorts of things are very difficult to achieve because of how, where in society, where we’ve placed our values. We’ve place them in materialism. We worship a false God known as money. These are all things that we’ve… And so as a result where parents are too tired, they don’t have enough money. They’re indebted, they’re debt, slaves. And so they’re too busy and preoccupied so that they’re not able to provide that level of consideration in teaching to their children. And look at, I’m not saying that I’m any different.
My kids are in this school system right now. And I didn’t always believe this way, but over the past two years, I’ve had a lot of time being semi locked into my house because I wasn’t able to go anywhere because I was discriminated against for two years.
Will: And so to fill people in on that both you and I have absolutely refused to wear a mask, refuse, not doing it.
Katherine: Yeah. I’ve never been tested, refuse to get a wear a mask. And I’m of course I’m not vaccinated. This has always been about a choice for me. And even when, in times where I’ve shown my exemption, I stopped doing that after a few times, because every time I showed my exemption to certain people, it only happened twice.
And that was to get into the soccer center to watch my kid play soccer, which by the way the fact that the City of Calgary implemented that sort of restriction on parents. They’re just breeding ground for pedophilia potentially, and other things that could happen to our children and blocking out and locking out parents their, and their right to supervise their child was a big concern.
But nonetheless, I had a lot of time to contemplate and talk to many people yourself included over the two years to discuss what was going on and the pitfalls and the damage that was being done to everybody. And so we need, we have an opportunity with this party and a new government and a new way of thinking about things, to look at our values as a society.
And what we find, feel is important. I firmly believe that we need to restore parental rights in all areas school, sports and also with more societal issues as well, but we have, and healthcare being one of them, but we also have to, I believe restore these Christian principles back into families as well.
And you do that by creating a society and a social safety network through government that actually supports people rather than keeps them suppressed and keeps them in a in a state of victimhood. We have to level up as a society. And I think we’ve all fallen to some extent I’m only gonna speak for myself. I’ve felt have, fallen prey to that because for many years, I, I, all I really wanted to do was get the bigger house, the, the, whatever new coach bag, the go on vacations. And it didn’t matter how I got it. And I wanted to And I wanted to keep up with the Joneses like everybody else.
And I’ll worry about paying that back later. That ended up catching up with me ultimately, and last year I ended up filing for bank or two years ago, I ended up filing for bankruptcy. That was part of the problem was my spending, but that wasn’t the entire reason why that event occurred.
But our society has set us up. And I felt a tremendous amount of shame around that because I had failed within the system, obviously. And as society also perpetuated that, because, you obviously are a bad person. If you don’t, budget properly and spend your money properly, et cetera, et cetera.
But, I don’t take all the blame anymore for all of that, because I recognize that I was partly being manipulated to a large extent as are a lot of people and they get themselves into situations that they find they can’t get themselves out of. And then, and my husband reminded me when I was going through that process that he said, Katherine, corporations declare bankruptcy on a daily basis as a business strategy, and then what happens?
And I, and then I so it snapped me out of that thinking. I was like okay. Yeah, they do. And what happens, those directors, they just move on to next ABC company with their Bentley and everything else intact. And they continue on their Merry way. But we as citizens have this legislation where, you were afforded the opportunity to make that decision, through the legislation, through the bankruptcy and insolvency act, let’s say but then it’s not enough even to meet the requirements under that legislation.
We’re held in purgatory and further penalized for the next seven years because we have to rebuild our credit and we have face higher interest rates with loans, et cetera, et cetera, in order to start the new chapter of your life. All of this needs to be really reconsidered.
Will: It does
Katherine: And I’m not ashamed of it anymore. It happened. And in fact, I learned a lot from that process and I don’t have any debt now. And I’ve been able to maintain that position for the last two years through COVID right?
Will: Yes. And that’s the key and you shouldn’t feel embarrassed because the system is set up to put people in that position because we have a debt based financial system. And that’s something I wanna get into in just a couple minutes, but first I wanna follow up on a comment that you made while you were answering my question about educational reform. Cause you touched on the healthcare system. Of course you’ve already made very clear that you want have held accountable to Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons.
The bureau of the medical bureaucrats within AHS have not only violated rights, but have caused a great deal of medical harm in what they’ve done. So what do you think of extending that idea? Where we talked about funding the student in the educational system to the healthcare system, where we stopped funding this giant corporate profit oriented medical system. Instead we fund the patient. Now the patient can go where they want to go for treatment.
Katherine: I think that makes a lot of sense. And I think that the healthcare system in particular needs to be more community based. Like when I talk about not only, potentially collecting of taxes at the more at the local level and funneling it up, but certainly we need to make healthcare decisions that make sense for that person.
And I could get on board with something like that, where you fund the individual and that they’re responsible for their own healthcare. But we also have to recognize that we’ve been, we claim to be this we have the socialized healthcare system in Canada. But the reality is that we actually have a two-tiered system.
We have private healthcare. And so I think we need to broaden our view of what healthcare is. I don’t actually think our system does any healthcare, actually. I think we need to look at other things that are prevention. We have to look at different sources of natural health alternatives. Things that have been certainly prevented from reaching the market because they’re automatically determined to be some sort of woo woo or, not having any medicinal purposes because they don’t have 20 ingredients that we have no idea how to pronounce in the ingredients list.
So I think we need to expand that repertoire of how we look at health, in any event and these other alternative medicines need to be considered and ways of delivering healthcare needs to be part of that process. So you, can’t just, you need to be promoting as a society a wellness perspective, a wellness platform, which includes looking at the foods that we eat. I like a good greasy burger fast food as, as much as the next person, but let’s, we need to look at the foods that we’re eating and what’s in, what’s the ingredients in there. And how is that affecting our bodies and our healthcare system in our health generally.
And not only that, what are we spraying in our skies that have impacted the current state of where we find ourselves, like what is causing the cancers, what are causing these ailments that we seem to, instead of look at from a preventative perspective, we just end up going to your doctor. You see them for 10 minutes, they may or may not do any sort of further probing, they may not do a blood test. They may just look at you and then send you off with some, antidepressants.
Will: Yes. And I think, and I’m completely on board with everything you said most of our viewers know because I’ve mentioned probably to an irritating extent that I’m a nutrition, fitness nut have been my whole life. And one of the things that needs to change in my mind is in our educational system, we need to be teaching the children, the keys to staying healthy, to not getting sick in the first place. And right now, as I say, we do nothing in that. And what little do we do teach them is wrong. We teach ’em say the four or five food groups, depending on how they wanna divide it up.
That information right there is wrong. The way they’re teaching them to eat some of the foods that they’re showing them, quite frankly, human beings shouldn’t be eating. And some of them people shouldn’t be eating once they get past a certain age. We don’t teach them any of that. We don’t teach them about the mental benefits of exercise, which are huge.
We don’t teach them about how exercise in a proper diet prevents disease from happening in the first place. We don’t teach them that there’s no such thing as an obesity epidemic. Obesity is just a symptom of a much deeper problem. And when people start to understand that you give them that information and now they’re equipped to make good decisions about what they eat, how they live. So they don’t get sick in the first place.
Katherine: Like with obesity and this might be very very simple, but what’s your perspective on this? Like anything it’s an addiction, like it’s an addiction to food, right? Yeah. And their plan to force our food Alberta’s agricultural industry and beef industry and meat industry to actually decimate it, ultimately, because they’ll know exactly which farms have exactly how much.
Will: And you notice how they’re going after the natural foods. Cause there’s no attack whatsoever on the manufactured foods. No. They wanna shut down the meat industry. They wanna shut down, anything that’s growing natural food. That people can take home, prepare themselves from scratch. Yeah. That’s what they’re trying to kill.
Katherine: Yeah. And like with an independent Alberta we’ll, we will be free. With an independence minded government and people who are wise to what’s going on and can see the destruction of our society unfolding before our very eyes will be able to incorporate all of these values into government. And more to the point we will be rid of the tyranny of Ottawa.
Will: Yes. Now, Kathrine I’ve I sometimes get told that I ask difficult questions and I’m about to ask you a difficult question. OK. And it has to do with financial reform. OK. Cause you we’ve made reference to this several times in this interview that the banking system is broken. It’s corrupt. Our society runs on debt, which is another problem you talked about returning to the gold standard and idea that I am completely in favor of because these government issued fiat currencies are part of the problem. But the biggest part of the problem is fractional reserve banking. And this idea that a bank can loan out money that doesn’t actually exist just by typing numbers into a computer yeah. Money that you and I have to pay that principal and interest in cash, but they got to contribute out of thin air. And literally folks they did, if you’re, I don’t have time to explain fractional reserve banking, but go look it up. It really, they are able to have the ability legally to type numbers into a computer and money just appears, but it’s money you and I have to pay back in cash.
Katherine: And often at an interest rate that doesn’t make any sense. Because it was created out of nothing.
Will: And this was one of the reasons for going off the gold standard is that the banks pushed for that. Because if it was based on the gold standard, it was based on something that had an absolute value. Now, once it becomes a Fiat currency it has no absolute value. It’s whatever, whatever they say it’s worth at the time. And they can manipulate it with interest rates. Which they do, they manipulate the economy with interest rates. So here’s the tough question. You become Premier of Alberta. We separate. Now we have control and we can make our own legislation about how a banking system works. What would you propose we do to fix that problem?
Katherine: I think we have to, and this is gonna be quite controversial even to people who hate it, but I think we have to get rid of interest. I think we, any loans to any citizens of our country, our new country need to be done in such a way that they’re interest free, this whole idea that you make money off of out of thin air in our current Fiat system, it doesn’t make any sense, right? That there’s, as you say, people are creating this money and that this interest is being accumulated.
But to be honest I think in keeping with the notion that we have to have balanced budgets and that we have to have control systems and I believe that we have to have a banking system where that the main goal is not to increase shareholder value for the bank. I think we have to incorporate those value systems into the banking system.
I think they need to operate more as a facility facilitated service provider rather than a money-making enterprise. I’m not an expert in how that sector of our government and our society needs to look. But I certainly plan on surrounding myself with people who share those sorts of values in which to, in that would be able to be more speak to this issue more eloquently.
Because I don’t know enough about the different alternatives and how we could possibly structure things, but I do know that there are people that do know. And in fact, one of the people that I’ve met along my journey has is an individual known as his name as Tanner Hnidey. And you would have AB you should actually interview him well, and he’s an economist, but he’s junior, like he’s younger than I am.
And I don’t know exactly how much younger, but certainly younger than I am. And he has a tremendous amount of knowledge and perspective. He’s an economist and, but he has a perspective of it that seems from what I can tell to also embody the perspective of the value structure that we’ve been talking about, which are embodying into the analysis the principles of God and the supremacy of God. I know that’s not probably the answer that you’re looking for, but it’s the, it’s my honest answer. Like I I don’t know if it isn’t the answer I’m looking for because you’ve talked about returning to the gold standard. Yeah. Which by the way, just about kills inflation right there. And then we get rid of fractional reserve banking and these usurious interest rates. And may, maybe a loan has a tiny, yeah. But it’s not something you’ve gotta pay the people who have to manage the money. Okay. We have to put in enough money to do that, but you certainly do not need to be charging people 5% to 7% to do that.
Katherine: You certainly don’t need credit cards at 28% interest.
Will: So, Katherine, I want to thank you for taking the time to do this interview, to share your ideas with our viewers in a genuine way. I can’t tell you how much I, I hope that you become the next premier of this promise because we need that reform desperately.
Katherine: Thank you very much. And if I could just let your viewers know the way to independence is through the referendum. And we didn’t talk about that a lot, but the because the only leverage that we are going to have as a province to negotiate the separation or a better future for Albertans is going to be through the referendum process. We saw it play out with Quebec, with their referendums and we will certainly have all automatically that leverage when we sit at the negotiating tables, because anything else that is being proposed such as the sovereignty act or anything else by any other potential leader of another party is just smoke and mirrors and I think it’s important that as I said when your viewers are looking at who they want to lead in the next election, that you do your research and you look at what that person did for you and for Alberta during the course of the last two years in particular. And I think that will form the basis. Oh, that’s certainly gonna form the basis of how I vote. And I really do I really wanna leave your viewers with the notion that this is achievable. This is achievable and I’ve been traveling around the province for the least for the last eight months in particular. And I hear from, and in, in addition to what I’ve learned through my conversations, through our contacts with Lawyers 4 Truth and the people who have been suffering this past two years, people want to change and it is feasible. The referendum is the legal way to do it. And the most clear path to increasing our leverage as a government at the negotiating table with Ottawa.
Will: And if I could make this final statement to our viewers, one of the objections that we often hear when we talk about separating is people saying I don’t wanna give up my Canadian identity. Well, let me leave you with this thought central Canada, the seat of our federal government, they’ve forgotten what it’s to be Canadian. So if we were to separate and especially in those sort of plans that Katherine has laid out. You’re not losing your Canadian identity, you’re preserving it.
Katherine: In fact, I throw it out there. The only way to save Canada is for Alberta to leave Canada, we have a moral obligation, I think, as Albertan’s to stop funding this tyranny, our own tyranny. And in fact, that is what we are doing.
Will: Yes. Katherine, thank you so much.
Katherine: Thank you will for having me.
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