7 Experts: Unmasking The Science You Aren’t Hearing On TV | COVID-19 Facts from the Frontline
Introducing the “Facts From the Frontlines episode of TheTonyRobbinsPodcast – where Tony uncovers the truth about coronavirus with a 7-person panel of highly qualified researchers, an experienced epidemiologist, a Nobel Laureate, and M.D.s testing and treating patients on the frontlines. Together, they reveal the evidence-based research that has come to light so far.
– This may be one of the more
important podcasts we’ve done.
We all know we’re living in extraordinarily intense times,
the most intense most of us have experienced,
at least in our adult lives.
The challenge that we’re experiencing today
are as intense as we’ve ever seen,
and the challenge is not only people are dying,
but people are dying alone.
Families can’t visit with their family members
because of understanding of the virus
and our concerns about how it could spread.
And we’re living in a world where,
quite frankly, we’ve made decisions
that are also affecting
not just the people that have already passed away
but also are gonna affect people in the future,
and also the ways we’ve responded to this virus
are having gigantic effects around the world.
There are people all over the world
that are having all kinds of challenges.
90% of brain surgeries haven’t happened.
I could go through a whole list,
but the feeding problem
is one of the things I’m most concerned about,
and people moving into poverty,
which leads to deaths as well.
The World Food Organization that the UN sponsors is saying
maybe 265 million people might go hungry this year,
almost double what normally happens.
I wanted today to see if we could go on
kind of an exploration, if you will,
a journey, not a trip.
A trip’s predictable.
A journey you might be surprised.
And I’ve been on a journey
because I care so much and I know you do too.
What does this mean?
I have my own parents
that are my mother and father in law,
but they’re in their 70s.
I adore them and obviously extreme concern,
so I started to immerse myself
in every detail I could find on the science of this.
And as I did,
I came across a set of doctors, Nobel Prize winners,
professors of epidemiology,
some of the most qualified people in the world
that we’re bringing up new facts that we have today
that are very different than we made the decisions
to shut down the world economy.
Science is about
as new facts come forward make new decisions,
but sometimes the momentum
of the story and the fear takes us over.
– I think cases become a big issue for clinical reasons.
Unfortunately, there’s a huge amount of politics
in all of this everywhere.
I think that, unfortunately, science is difficult
and you can’t make promises,
and I think that there was a dynamic here
and a dynamic which I found very anti-scientific
that lead to decisions being made.
The World Health Organization has a record of exaggerating
and I think they do this deliberately
because they fear that the public won’t pay attention.
The total number of excess deaths
reported by a website called EuroMOMO
up till today is 160,000, maybe 170,000.
Basically that’s about the same number of people
who died in an excess way
in the flu season of 2017, ’18.
So basically my guess is it’s going to be
maybe one and a half times more excess deaths.
Excess deaths are very important
because if I’m very sick
and then I’m laid with a corona death
that’s fine, except I won’t die again next month.
So basically if you look at the total deaths
each person is only counted once,
whereas if you assume that everyone who dies of corona
is extra, you’re overcounting.
– One of the challenges is that when people were looking
at all the numbers that were coming out of the TV
and they were doing the death rate,
the case fatality rates,
they were looking really,
and this is, I’ll call it
a rookie 101 mistake in epidemiology,
in that you don’t take the incident rate
to figure out the case fatality,
you look at the prevalence.
And it was stunning to me that all the media
would put on these so called experts
and not raise this issue
as to why the case fatality rate
is just completely and absolutely overstated.
Yes, we as citizens need to be responsible
and we need to think about what we do
and how it impacts those around us,
but we shouldn’t be so fearful
that we decide to live in a bubble
and hermetically seal our home
in hopes that we never get anymore diseases ever again.
That’s just nonsense.
– I would submit that we’re pivoting towards a time now
where we have to ask ourselves questions
about who are we, what is our country,
are we losing personal liberties,
if we’re going to use contact tracing,
what does that look like?
Does that look like voluntary use of our form
or is it gonna be involuntary?
Are there gonna be drones that swoop and watch us?
We need to be very careful
because in the end, when we’re all said and done,
we’re looking at a respiratory virus,
a single-stranded RNA virus.
We’ve dealt with these before.
And we know that 40 to 50% of people who get it
may not even know they had it.
We know another 40, 50% that get it
will skate through it.
We know that we’re probably gonna,
at the end of the day, end up somewhere
between one out of 1,000 patients dying from it.
– It’s interesting because when I was
doing the research originally,
I remember in late February
I was watching everyday because I’m concerned
that the death rate shot up 600% in one day,
and I’m no epidemiologist, but that didn’t make any sense,
I’m talking about the world death rate.
And then I dug in and finally found the labs
that said they could change the diagnostic procedure
to no longer having to do a test
since as late as February,
and that’s why the number of deaths shot through the roof
because anything they suspected as COVID,
they listed as COVID.
And then a few weeks ago, as I know you know,
the CDC made it formal in the US
that you don’t need to do a test,
just if you suspect it.
But there’s actually even, as I understand from you,
economic incentives by the hospitals
’cause some have been reclassified
as COVID-19 deaths after the fact,
and what is that financial incentive they’ll share with us?
– We were basically being advised as physicians
as to how to correctly complete a death certificate
if COVID-19 was involved directly
or perhaps even presumptively or probably
or peripherally involved.
I was coached and massaged to utilize COVID-19
as a factor in the causation of death
even if I hadn’t checked a COVID-19 test,
even if I hadn’t had an interest in one.
And right around that time,
Dr. Burks from Washington, D.C. was saying
that nobody’s going to die with COVID-19,
if they have it, they’re dying of it.
And that was about a silly a thing as I have heard
because if a person gets hit by a bus
and over the first two hours
of examination in an emergency room
we learn that both of their lungs are collapsed
but also some baseline laboratory works
addressed the fact that there was a low hemoglobin
but also a COVID-19 test happened to be positive
in the PCR form of it,
it would be absolutely ridiculous to put down COVID-19.
On the one hand, part of my life
is in the trenches practice and primary care
and then I come down to the capital
where I see this partisan battle for power.
And the best way to power
sometimes is to keep people frightened
and then tell ’em who to blame,
and after you’ve done enough of that
then sort of step up and raise your hand and say
but follow me, I’ll take care of you.
That’s sort of a typical formula in the world of politics.
And I think sometimes when these things happen,
we don’t recognize them at the time,
it’s when we look at them through the retrospectiscope,
so I really think the crisis is pivoting.
– If you look at the case fatality rate,
the number of people who die who get it,
it’s over 3% when you get to 70 and over.
That’s a real risk.
– [Tony] Yes.
– Look at 60 and under, it’s less than 2/10 of 1%,
or about less than twice the flu,
but really what you need to do
is protect people who are over the age of 70.
Protect them from the risk they would have
if they were exposed to the virus
’cause they’re in that 3 to 5% death rate
from getting the disease.
On the other hand, most of the economy
is driven by younger people, 95 to 97%,
and they don’t need to be protected.
We made that mistake early on
in looking at the data from China
and we will probably come back and regret it,
but you could really open up the whole economy
and not have much increase in the risk.
The problem is without the economy open,
we’re having more deaths of despair
than we are deaths from the COVID virus.
– Now what we’re seeing is the collateral damage of COVID
is way outweighing the disease itself.
I can tell you about suicide cases personally,
I can tell you about anxiety, depression, alcoholism,
all in my community that are sky-rocketing now
because of COVID.
So I think the conversation has to switch now
to how do we get the economy going again
because the collateral damage of the economy shutdown
is becoming far worse than the virus itself.
– We took a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm
and to tell the truth
and we looked at our numbers and we had
some of Stanford’s preliminary data was out.
We were looking at these different studies
and we’re saying
the epidemiology of this disease is similar to flu.
And have we ever shut down for flu before?
Does it make sense to shut down the economy,
to have folks not have work,
not be able to support their families?
Influenza is a very dangerous disease.
I’ve had folks in their 30s and 40s die from influenza
when I used to work in the ER,
so as Dr. Erickson said influenza is very serious,
but we are familiar with influenza,
so we say it’s just a flu.
So whenever you have something
that you’re unfamiliar with, you have lots of fear,
and then trying to change people’s narrative,
with new data is very, very difficult
because they have that old mindset.
– I’m an infectious disease physician,
and my sort of understanding,
and not also disease modeling,
my understanding is a disease like this
spreads quite widely
and so the numbers didn’t quite add up.
So that’s why we put that study together.
And we sampled a group of well over 3000 people.
We used a test kit that by now
has been vetted very carefully
and we know exactly what it tells us.
One thing that I was hoping that our study would do
is reduce that uncertainty.
We were living with such an enormous amount of uncertainty
and I think that uncertainty
was really getting people worked up.
And like many here,
I wish this were not a political issue,
I wish this were an area where we could come together
and say okay we need to count all false deaths
because the coding is not something that is reliable.
We need to understand the issue about immunity.
We need to understand the issue
about the age distribution
and the differences across ages.
And these are some of the very key priorities
that will help us really learn how to deal with it.
We have to start wrapping our head around
making decisions in a more informed way.
– The whole purpose of this is to honor those
that have already put their lives on the line for us,
so many doctors and nurses.
I cry just thinking about it.
So many police officers, first responders,
people driving trucks so that we can
still have our livelihood and our life
and be with our families that get taken for granted.
I know most of you don’t take them for granted,
but I hope in the midst of this
we don’t lose track of all that they’ve done for us.
Please remember we human beings are pretty damn resilient.
We’ve been around 200,000 years.
We’ve experienced every kind of change in the environment,
every kind of microbe,
every kind of challenge you could imagine,
and here we still stand for better or worse,
hopefully for better.
And just remember life is meant to be lived.
And sometimes we can get overcome
by the drama by what we see and hear every moment
and by dealing with real challenges that we forget
that this life is still meant to be lived.
So whether it be winter, spring, summer, fall,
whether it be in tough times or good times,
I hope you’ll find gratitude and joy and love
with the people that you love
and you’ll continue to grow and continue to expand.
So no matter what happens economically,
what happens in the environment,
there’s a quality of life
waiting to be lived and enjoyed by you
by just finding things to be grateful for
in the midst of challenge.
That’s I think how we stay resilient,
that’s how we keep moving the ball forward,
that’s how we serve our children,
our family, and our friends.
So live fully, live with passion,
and hopefully until we meet again, God bless.
(soft tender music)